This week, we have host Stephanie Tam in conversation with Anne Anlin Cheng about her book, Ordinary Disasters: How I Stopped Being a Model Minority, which debuted in September 2024 and was published by Pantheon.
In this episode, Anne discusses her journey from academic scholarship to a personal, deeply vulnerable “new kind of writing.” After decades of teaching as one of the foremost scholars of race, literature, and aesthetics at Princeton University, a series of personal and political crises led Anne to grapple with what it means to live firsthand as an Asian American woman in our world. Stephanie and Anne talk about the challenges of “finding your voice” in the first person, the double bind of the model minority myth, and the problem with how Americans think about who deserves social justice — “as though attention to nonwhite groups, their histories and conditions, is only as pressing as the injuries that they have suffered.” Anne also shares her personal experiences of grieving her father, a tragic series of student suicides, and the complexities of interracial marriage. Finally, Stephanie and Anne explore what it takes to find and sustain an “ordinary faith” in the midst of all these “ordinary disasters.”
About the book:
Ordinary Disasters explores with lyricism and surgical precision the often difficult-to-articulate consequences of race, gender, migration, and empire. It is the story of Chinese mothers and daughters, of race and nationality, of ambition and gender, of memory and forgetting, and the intricate ways in which we struggle for interracial and intergenerational intimacies in a world where there can be no seamless identity.
About our guest:
Anne Anlin Cheng was born in Taiwan, grew up in the American South, and is the author of three books on American racial politics and aesthetics. Her writing has appeared in The Atlantic, the Los Angeles Review of Books, The New York Times, and The Washington Post. Cheng is the 2023–2024 Ford Scholar in Residence at the Museum of Modern Art in New York. She is a professor of English and a former director of American Studies at Princeton University and lives in Princeton, New Jersey.
About our host:
Stephanie Tam is an independent writer, researcher, and producer; she has worked for Freakonomics Radio, Radiolab, and First Look Media. Her interests include behavioral economics and psychology, medical history and mental health, and postcolonial and migration studies – and more generally, data-driven approaches to just about anything. Previously, she earned two master’s degrees in world literatures and evidence-based social intervention and policy evaluation at the University of Oxford as a Daniel M. Sachs Scholar.